Curse

romeus petrus · Aug 13, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Elite areas are not meant for anyone and everyone to do. They are called "elite" for a reason. Now mind you even after the update, none of those elite areas is actually that hard... well maybe DoA HM is a little, but you can prolly do FoW/UW/Slavers/Urgoz/Deep.. with any build u like given enough time. Some builds do it faster than others, PUGs expect you to have the cookie cutter build du jour, and if you don't have that you will prolly be not very welcomed.

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Man, I gotta find me a guild...

That would certainly be the solution imho.

Loot Junkie · Aug 13, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

That does it. Even though I fail at technology, I'm gonna do my best to post an easy-to-use/newb-proof FoW clearing build over in the campfire forums. It will be up in a bit......

Phineas · Aug 13, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

This...

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Originally Posted by Trub

I'm sorry..but looking at your guru join date.......
Phineas
Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Nov 2005

Something is wrong with your statements......
Looks like a QQ thread, because your easy button was taken away.

Farmz much?

is the attitude I am seeing in GW. People are all too quick to pull the insult trigger. I noticed you withdrew your 'l2p' comment.

Yes, I'm approaching 3 years in the game, and I don't have any trouble with PvE which is what I play GW for. I enjoy it very much. My view was as a person merely observing the areas mentioned and thinking to myself that I am glad I am not a newbie in here for the first time.

I think it must be pretty daunting for a first timer in these areas, and we were all there at one stage or another so I don't get why people are not more caring and sharing with their builds and with who they let into their parties. On the other hand, it looks like you just need to put 'exp' or 'oldschool' in your 'lfg' statement and it's instant accept, heh.

This is not an Ursan nerf QQ post, it's just an observation of player attitudes since the nerf. It was rare to see someone verbally abusing someone for using a skill. Now it's all too common.

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Originally Posted by upier

The game is better now.
If you feel otherwise - you are mistaken.
End of discussion.

I think this is true. The actual game is improved. For more players to improve with it will take a little understanding and compassion to be shown towards those that didn't run the 'elite' areas without Ursan.

Malice Black · Aug 13, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02

My mouse could clear FoW by itself...

If people really can't clear without the use of gimmick builds and consumables, they're very very very bad. Even in HM both areas are fairly easy. As long as people take the right quest, kite without screwing the group and where to position themselves, it's a piece of piss.

Kashrlyyk · Aug 13, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

Elite areas are not meant for anyone and everyone to do. ....

Then they are a waste of man power and resources.

Tearz1993 · Aug 13, 2008, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

My mouse could clear FoW by itself...

If people really can't clear without the use of gimmick builds and consumables, they're very very very bad. Even in HM both areas are fairly easy. As long as people take the right quest, kite without screwing the group and where to position themselves, it's a piece of piss.

Is there a reason to keep the thread going after this answer?

sindex · Aug 13, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

True, PuG’s now rarely will accept you if your one of the “out professions” now, unless your profession is one of the “Holy Trinity.” In all actuality, you have to make sure you pick the right guild to which they don't only use those type of builds from PvX. Therefore, if you have more than one toon that’s not a “Holy Trinity” player you can take them through. Another problem is there is a huge divide between the conservative elitist (small pool) and those who are coming into the game for the first time (larger pool).

Trub · Aug 13, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Phineas

This...

is the attitude I am seeing in GW. People are all too quick to pull the insult trigger. I noticed you withdrew your 'l2p' comment.

Yes, I'm approaching 3 years in the game, and I don't have any trouble with PvE which is what I play GW for. I enjoy it very much. My view was as a person merely observing the areas mentioned and thinking to myself that I am glad I am not a newbie in here for the first time.

I think it must be pretty daunting for a first timer in these areas, and we were all there at one stage or another so I don't get why people are not more caring and sharing with their builds and with who they let into their parties. On the other hand, it looks like you just need to put 'exp' or 'oldschool' in your 'lfg' statement and it's instant accept, heh.

This is not an Ursan nerf QQ post, it's just an observation of player attitudes since the nerf. It was rare to see someone verbally abusing someone for using a skill. Now it's all too common.

I think this is true. The actual game is improved. For more players to improve with it will take a little understanding and compassion to be shown towards those that didn't run the 'elite' areas without Ursan.

Nah..look at post #13..

If you don't have issues with the skill changes, then why pitch a bitch about it then?
If a player has issues getting a team...I would think you would offer solutions more than complaints for 'other people'.

EDIT: Had to re-show this generous offer by Loot Junkie/

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That does it. Even though I fail at technology, I'm gonna do my best to post an easy-to-use/newb-proof FoW clearing build over in the campfire forums. It will be up in a bit......

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JupiterStarWarrior · Aug 13, 2008, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Phineas

is the attitude I am seeing in GW.

That's what I see here, actually.

Anywho, a lot of people assume that PvE = UW/FOW/DOA, etc.

PVE != UW/FOW/DOA, etc. It includes all aspects of the game (I haven't pugged in awhile, but when I get random invites, I'm not in the mood to do so, and therefore reject the request).

A side note: To those who don't know or are unfamiliar with it, "!=" means "not equal to". ^_^

morgan · Aug 13, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

yeah I think it may take a while for the game to get better because at the minute I dont see any difference in the mentality in ToA, DoA etc.

Now instead of hearing "OMG you're not r10 Ursan" *kick*, its "glf monk/tank/nuker" so unless you are running one of those types of chars you have no hope in getting a team.

I know its a (really really) long shot, but I hope that people start to recognise that there are other professions other than warriors, eles, monks and necros. We shouldn't be restricted to partying with guildies for elite areas

Until then, I'm off to my guild

Shakti · Aug 13, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Phineas

This is not an Ursan nerf QQ post, it's just an observation of player attitudes since the nerf. It was rare to see someone verbally abusing someone for using a skill. Now it's all too common.

I'm sorry, but what game were you playing? People have ALWAYS behaved like asshats in pugs.

I remember my very 1st FOW run with a pug on my brand new lvl 20 (!) necro. I got bitched out because I had well of power, not BiP. I had told the team my bar and they approved but apparently the monk hadn't paid attention. She was a raging bitch about it. Result? I learned a )have a clue before you pug or don't pug and b)how to build the "right" bar.

Does it suck ppl aren't more helpful/understanding? Yes. Is it good for those who never ran anything but the easy 123 button that was Ursan to learn to actually play? HELL YES.

They are ELITE areas. They aren't supposed to be easy. They are supposed to be advanced play areas that require a modicum of skill. Yes it would be nice if players would be helpful rather than assish which is why I try to offer constructive advice to those that don't get it. Either way though, taking the Easy Button away was very very good. Learn to swim or get outta the water

Miss Persephone · Aug 13, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Post in the Hero thread, maybe if we get enough people, we can just do UW/FoW with heroes (and I don't mean running gimmicky builds or farming builds, I mean legitimate 1 human, 7 heroes teams).

Is it really that hard to find one friend and you each bring 3 heroes? Thats how I ended up doing all of the UW quests for the 1st time.

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Originally Posted by Phineas

This is not an Ursan nerf QQ post, it's just an observation of player attitudes since the nerf. It was rare to see someone verbally abusing someone for using a skill. Now it's all too common.

I can't agree that this is a new thing. Pre-ursan, DoA, the Deep and Urgoz were always tough places to pug if you weren't running a certain build. Of course it didn't matter that you don't need the well-known builds to suceed but well, thats the nature of pugging I've found.

Leonhart · Aug 13, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

In short this is what the general atmosphere is for GW. May have been friendlier when the game was released but after so long everyone it's just wasn't ment to be a game that interacted with others. If you want to play a game with random people and enjoy, this game is not for you.

spyke136 · Aug 13, 2008, 07:59 PM // 19:59

ursan = way too easy, but made pugging fun and enjoyable
ursan nerf = game is more interesting, forces players to think, pugs are back to being absolute trash and completely unreliable

i'm not sure how i feel about it... i'm happy the game's not mindless but i'm kind of sad that pugging is back to the crap it was before...now i HAVE to play as my obflesh warrior, monk or some nuker. which sucks i guess =\

Ate of DK · Aug 13, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

When I started playing GW in august 2005. It took me 3 days to end up in a guild that was within the top 100 on the ladder (without Teamspeak/Vent) soon after that. From what I know: Guilds are the place to be and pugs are usualy bad.

TheodenKing · Aug 13, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by Phineas

Man, I gotta find me a guild...

You provided your own solution.

Kusandaa · Aug 13, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

I've always had problems with PUGs, anyways since Factions. Ursan had got me back into them because it didn't need any setup and it really easy to find a group - and if your ursans were intelligent, really easy to finish the area.

With Ursan gone I've pretty much gone back to refusing to PUG unless it's a partial PUG, or if they don't use Obs. Flesh / bonder tank'n'spank. Bonders annoy me for some random reason... at least, with partial PUGs, I know the team won't end up being 3 nukers, 3 monks, a tank and a BiP necro. "Take the rit over there" or "grab that mesmer" is often heard in our partial guild+PUG groups... when we're not playing these professions on our own.

Anyways this will probably get me to team up with my guildies again, since they started being more active after the Ursan nerf. Pretty happy 'bout that.

Winterclaw · Aug 13, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

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Originally Posted by Squishy FTW

Since when do pugs use warriors for damage ?

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That's what I thought.

Warriors are tanks, didn't you get the memo?

Now shut up and cast Obsidian Flesh.

And here I thought warriors had one of the best DPSs in the game and tanking is a waste usually. I must be a real noob.

viper11025 · Aug 13, 2008, 08:46 PM // 20:46

If you can use a 8man team of wars to clear fow by themselves on HM NO healers >.> something says it's too easy.

If you can do that with the new ursans then ya..............anywho.

Point being, FIND a good guild.
I suggest one thats been around at least 3 months.
XD

bizlib · Aug 14, 2008, 05:01 AM // 05:01

The big (or only) question is how much of a nerf was needed. End of story (because a nerf was needed).

With all the changes to Ursan it simply made it harder for some people to find and play in the elite missions.
Peeps have gone back to the old school builds (Have seen the new rise of the holy 3 and even the Order B/p teams oh and the imbapara) and some are trying to create new builds, but once again these builds are more related to the old school profs. Ursan changed that - everybody were able to play it well - true no skills were needed - so instead of nerfing it to death - how about changing it so all profs can play it?

At the end of the day you have the best chance of finding a team in elite areas (clearing and winning them) if you are a monk or an ele. This is the main problem - not all players can play in all areas.

(don't get me wrong - I do think a nerf was needed, but that the game is not working well and some peeps are left out)